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		<title>By: Altijd Fijn Schaduwblog &#187; Longboard brought to you by Airbag Industries: TextDrive could use a lesson in customer&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Altijd Fijn Schaduwblog &#187; Longboard brought to you by Airbag Industries: TextDrive could use a lesson in customer&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Longboard brought to you by Airbag Industries: TextDrive could use a lesson in customer&#8230; 01-12-2005 TextDrive could use a lesson in customer service. Joyent, be wary the company you keep. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Longboard brought to you by Airbag Industries: TextDrive could use a lesson in customer&#8230; 01-12-2005 TextDrive could use a lesson in customer service. Joyent, be wary the company you keep. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since well enough can't be left alone apparently.

http://www.kickflop.net/blog/?p=121

Comments here re-closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since well enough can&#8217;t be left alone apparently.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kickflop.net/blog/?p=121" rel="nofollow">http://www.kickflop.net/blog/?p=121</a></p>
<p>Comments here re-closed.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noel Jackson: I'd say this has all run its course well enough by now.

I appreciate all of the support from the overwhelming majority of you who "get it".

I will, instead of answering all of these email requests, post a link to the zip file in the original post above and turn off comments.

1000 unique visitors to this article and its comments in 2 days, with links coming in from around the net.  That's enough retribution from my end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel Jackson: I&#8217;d say this has all run its course well enough by now.</p>
<p>I appreciate all of the support from the overwhelming majority of you who &#8220;get it&#8221;.</p>
<p>I will, instead of answering all of these email requests, post a link to the zip file in the original post above and turn off comments.</p>
<p>1000 unique visitors to this article and its comments in 2 days, with links coming in from around the net.  That&#8217;s enough retribution from my end.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The URL in my above post (re the deleted comments) didn't show, probably because I surrounded it with angle brackets. Here it is again:
 http://weblog.textdrive.com/article/186/textdrive-%3Cdel%3Ejoyent%3C/del%3E-w00t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The URL in my above post (re the deleted comments) didn&#8217;t show, probably because I surrounded it with angle brackets. Here it is again:<br />
 <a href="http://weblog.textdrive.com/article/186/textdrive-%3Cdel%3Ejoyent%3C/del%3E-w00t" rel="nofollow">http://weblog.textdrive.com/article/186/textdrive-%3Cdel%3Ejoyent%3C/del%3E-w00t</a></p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm stepping through old tabs in my browser and stumbled upon this



with 22 comments, last one Nov 30, 05:46 pm. Did a refresh and now there's 19 comments, last one Dec 1, 01:09 am. Interesting, wonder what's gone...


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7. Congrats, but not sure you have the server thing down cold. In five years at my old hosting company (he.net) my server was down about 5 minutes total. Here it’s down everyday! Still I’m here because of all the cool software you are setting up. Congrats again, and keep the servers up, man!
Rob

— Rob    Nov 28, 11:10 pm    

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8. I second what Rob just said about the uptime, but if this merger gives you guys the extra juice you need to kick ass at developing the next generation of web hosting and keep Gilford running for more than 48 hours at a time, then I think we’ve all got cause to be really excited about whatever’s coming next.

— David Demaree    Nov 29, 02:42 am 

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20. I’m really glad to hear that other TextDrive users have uptime issues – I thought it might have just been me! Yes, agreed that the uptime needs sorting – I had a $20 a year shitty host and they weren’t down once in the three years I used them. I too stay with TextDrive because of the support and the installed software.

— Polly Stark    Nov 30, 01:12 pm 

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21. As I was reading this press release, www.textdrive.com crashed. Kid you not.

Dean, your COO does not have “servers down cold”.

He also has a serious customer relations issue—called me a dick, and asshole, and cacelled my account for complaining in the forums about bidwell crashing every week and fscking its disk for an hour every time (braindead).

http://www.kickflop.net/blog/?p=107

Enjoy. You don’t seem to be as big an idiot as Jason Hoffman. Let’s see if he’ll delete this comment just like he did the forum thread.

— Jeff Blaine    Nov 30, 03:22 pm    #
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The lesson here: Karma comes around pretty fast these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m stepping through old tabs in my browser and stumbled upon this</p>
<p>with 22 comments, last one Nov 30, 05:46 pm. Did a refresh and now there&#8217;s 19 comments, last one Dec 1, 01:09 am. Interesting, wonder what&#8217;s gone&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212; gone &#8212;<br />
7. Congrats, but not sure you have the server thing down cold. In five years at my old hosting company (he.net) my server was down about 5 minutes total. Here it’s down everyday! Still I’m here because of all the cool software you are setting up. Congrats again, and keep the servers up, man!<br />
Rob</p>
<p>— Rob    Nov 28, 11:10 pm    </p>
<p>&#8212; gone &#8212;<br />
8. I second what Rob just said about the uptime, but if this merger gives you guys the extra juice you need to kick ass at developing the next generation of web hosting and keep Gilford running for more than 48 hours at a time, then I think we’ve all got cause to be really excited about whatever’s coming next.</p>
<p>— David Demaree    Nov 29, 02:42 am </p>
<p>&#8212; gone &#8212;<br />
20. I’m really glad to hear that other TextDrive users have uptime issues – I thought it might have just been me! Yes, agreed that the uptime needs sorting – I had a $20 a year shitty host and they weren’t down once in the three years I used them. I too stay with TextDrive because of the support and the installed software.</p>
<p>— Polly Stark    Nov 30, 01:12 pm </p>
<p>&#8212; gone &#8212;<br />
21. As I was reading this press release, <a href="http://www.textdrive.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.textdrive.com</a> crashed. Kid you not.</p>
<p>Dean, your COO does not have “servers down cold”.</p>
<p>He also has a serious customer relations issue—called me a dick, and asshole, and cacelled my account for complaining in the forums about bidwell crashing every week and fscking its disk for an hour every time (braindead).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kickflop.net/blog/?p=107" rel="nofollow">http://www.kickflop.net/blog/?p=107</a></p>
<p>Enjoy. You don’t seem to be as big an idiot as Jason Hoffman. Let’s see if he’ll delete this comment just like he did the forum thread.</p>
<p>— Jeff Blaine    Nov 30, 03:22 pm    #<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>The lesson here: Karma comes around pretty fast these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Cingla</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Cingla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James: I know many hosting companies offer BSD on theplanet, this is not the point. The point is that TXD started as "100% availability", "amazed when things just work" and something like "we are among the best three shared services in the world (along with mysql hosting and Segpub)"-attitude that resulted in moving out from theplanet because it was crap (first mistake and no apologize from their part) endless downtime (second mistake and no apologize from their part), lack of basic features sold in first place (stats) for which I payed (third mistake and no apologize from their part).

I don't know if you get the stats thing right, but I PAYED for stats when I signed up. I gave them money, real money, for the whole package, not for part of it.

I never had the chance to read a message from Jason saying "sorry guys, I made the wrong decisions, I shouldn't have gone with theplanet, nor BSD on a shared enviroment, I'm probably darn good at servers, but lack the shared enviroment experience". Nor I received a reimbursement when they cut off Urchin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James: I know many hosting companies offer BSD on theplanet, this is not the point. The point is that TXD started as &#8220;100% availability&#8221;, &#8220;amazed when things just work&#8221; and something like &#8220;we are among the best three shared services in the world (along with mysql hosting and Segpub)&#8221;-attitude that resulted in moving out from theplanet because it was crap (first mistake and no apologize from their part) endless downtime (second mistake and no apologize from their part), lack of basic features sold in first place (stats) for which I payed (third mistake and no apologize from their part).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you get the stats thing right, but I PAYED for stats when I signed up. I gave them money, real money, for the whole package, not for part of it.</p>
<p>I never had the chance to read a message from Jason saying &#8220;sorry guys, I made the wrong decisions, I shouldn&#8217;t have gone with theplanet, nor BSD on a shared enviroment, I&#8217;m probably darn good at servers, but lack the shared enviroment experience&#8221;. Nor I received a reimbursement when they cut off Urchin.</p>
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		<title>By: A VC3er</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>A VC3er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DreamHost awesome awesome, they have a few flaws but downtime and customer service aren't them.  I really love DreamHost and i'm glad I moved myself and my clients there.

If I had the money though I would have moved to Segpub as they're probably the best host on the net, according to friends of mine. If your site falls below 99.5% uptime during any one month, you get that month absolutely free! They run FreeBSD servers the right way. They also support Ruby On Rails, Subversion, Perl, Python, PHP5 etc. A there customer support is meant to be the best of any host out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DreamHost awesome awesome, they have a few flaws but downtime and customer service aren&#8217;t them.  I really love DreamHost and i&#8217;m glad I moved myself and my clients there.</p>
<p>If I had the money though I would have moved to Segpub as they&#8217;re probably the best host on the net, according to friends of mine. If your site falls below 99.5% uptime during any one month, you get that month absolutely free! They run FreeBSD servers the right way. They also support Ruby On Rails, Subversion, Perl, Python, PHP5 etc. A there customer support is meant to be the best of any host out there.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, it's pretty clear that you have no experience doing customer support or running a business. Once you do, you will learn -- maybe the hard way -- that it is never a good idea to treat customers the way the TxD staff treated Jeff. That is the point that Jeff and others are trying to make. It's not about Jeff, it's about TxD's abominable customer service skills.

I do agree that sometimes it is best to sever a relationshipe with a customer, but there are polite ways to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, it&#8217;s pretty clear that you have no experience doing customer support or running a business. Once you do, you will learn &#8212; maybe the hard way &#8212; that it is never a good idea to treat customers the way the TxD staff treated Jeff. That is the point that Jeff and others are trying to make. It&#8217;s not about Jeff, it&#8217;s about TxD&#8217;s abominable customer service skills.</p>
<p>I do agree that sometimes it is best to sever a relationshipe with a customer, but there are polite ways to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 06:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, there cowboy. You're apparently so hopped up on your own righteousness that you're not even reading what's posted here. Go back to my comment above and look again at that bit that says "I don’t think anybody comes away from that thread clean".

You said above, and I quote, "At that point I was gang-raped by the TXD forum piranha and staff through 15 some-odd posts". You made ten straight posts in the same abusive, inflammatory fashion before Jason brought out the "dont' be a dick" rule. You made two more after that before your account got cancelled. Up to that point, you had received:

1 polite reply from Jason to some of your original points
1 polite reply from Daniel (a TXD staff member)
2 polite replies from Nate (a TXD staff member)

The non-staff replies were more of a mized bag; some people responded to you in the same abusive fashion you had used. Others didn't.

How this constitutes you getting "gang raped" is beyond me, frankly.

And as for apologies? Nobody ever has the right to be personally abusive to anyone else, at any time, for any reason. I don't care how wronged you felt you were, or how wronged you actually were. None of it gives you the right to be an unapologetic dick, and that's exactly what Jason told you in that thread.

Urchin? TXD moved to a new datacenter, and right around that time Google stopped responding to license requests as they geared up to completely re-engineer Urchin. Obvoiusly this is TextDrive's fault for not having an insider at Google to let them know in advance, right?

And the server problems? You seem to have this notion that you're the first person who's ever been frustrated with the downtime, or that there's some sort of massive conspiratorial coverup to hide it and pretend nothing's wrong. Personally, when I look around the forum and the IRC channel, I see people having civilized discussions about it, and staff talking about the new infrastructure being put into place to resolve the current problems. There are problems. They're known. They're admitted. They're being worked on. This is reality, and it differs significantly from the picture you keep trying to paint. But that doesn't seem to matter to you, if your posts are any indication.

Perhaps it's time to sit up and look around, and see what's actually going on, Jeff. It'd do you good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, there cowboy. You&#8217;re apparently so hopped up on your own righteousness that you&#8217;re not even reading what&#8217;s posted here. Go back to my comment above and look again at that bit that says &#8220;I don’t think anybody comes away from that thread clean&#8221;.</p>
<p>You said above, and I quote, &#8220;At that point I was gang-raped by the TXD forum piranha and staff through 15 some-odd posts&#8221;. You made ten straight posts in the same abusive, inflammatory fashion before Jason brought out the &#8220;dont&#8217; be a dick&#8221; rule. You made two more after that before your account got cancelled. Up to that point, you had received:</p>
<p>1 polite reply from Jason to some of your original points<br />
1 polite reply from Daniel (a TXD staff member)<br />
2 polite replies from Nate (a TXD staff member)</p>
<p>The non-staff replies were more of a mized bag; some people responded to you in the same abusive fashion you had used. Others didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>How this constitutes you getting &#8220;gang raped&#8221; is beyond me, frankly.</p>
<p>And as for apologies? Nobody ever has the right to be personally abusive to anyone else, at any time, for any reason. I don&#8217;t care how wronged you felt you were, or how wronged you actually were. None of it gives you the right to be an unapologetic dick, and that&#8217;s exactly what Jason told you in that thread.</p>
<p>Urchin? TXD moved to a new datacenter, and right around that time Google stopped responding to license requests as they geared up to completely re-engineer Urchin. Obvoiusly this is TextDrive&#8217;s fault for not having an insider at Google to let them know in advance, right?</p>
<p>And the server problems? You seem to have this notion that you&#8217;re the first person who&#8217;s ever been frustrated with the downtime, or that there&#8217;s some sort of massive conspiratorial coverup to hide it and pretend nothing&#8217;s wrong. Personally, when I look around the forum and the IRC channel, I see people having civilized discussions about it, and staff talking about the new infrastructure being put into place to resolve the current problems. There are problems. They&#8217;re known. They&#8217;re admitted. They&#8217;re being worked on. This is reality, and it differs significantly from the picture you keep trying to paint. But that doesn&#8217;t seem to matter to you, if your posts are any indication.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s time to sit up and look around, and see what&#8217;s actually going on, Jeff. It&#8217;d do you good.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.kickflop.net/blog/2005/11/24/moving-hosting/comment-page-2/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 05:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO the manly thing to do would be to close the comments on this post and stop defending yourself. It very quickly comes to the point of fish out of water floundering.

And, why hide the ZIP file? As far as I know, you aren't supposed to distribute email without the authority of the sender. Put it out in the open or trash it and say goodbye.

There comes a time when you have to be the bigger man (as you've been insisting you are this entire thread, very vehemently). Move on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO the manly thing to do would be to close the comments on this post and stop defending yourself. It very quickly comes to the point of fish out of water floundering.</p>
<p>And, why hide the ZIP file? As far as I know, you aren&#8217;t supposed to distribute email without the authority of the sender. Put it out in the open or trash it and say goodbye.</p>
<p>There comes a time when you have to be the bigger man (as you&#8217;ve been insisting you are this entire thread, very vehemently). Move on!</p>
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